In this episode we talk with Roger L. Martin, Professor Emeritus of Strategic Management, and former Dean at the University of Toronto’s Rotman School of Management. In 2017 Roger was named the world’s #1 management thinker, by Thinkers 50—a global ranking of management thinkers. He’s written 28 articles for the Harvard Business Review and has published 11 books.

Roger’s latest book, When More Is Not Better, analyzes society’s increasing inequality and the impact it has on democratic-capitalism.

Today, we discuss:

  • The idea that we are actually better off with things not being perfect. He’s talking about this from an economic perspective, but I believe this also applies to the individual.
  • How over-emphasizing efficiency drives unequal distribution of the benefits of growth.
  • How we as individuals can modify our behavior to influence how our economy looks and behaves in the future. Roger and I discuss this from the perspective of citizens, consumers and educators.


This is an episode that will get you thinking and talking – calling into question many of our societal and structural assumptions.

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